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Delta CEO Hints at Coming Airbus or Boeing Order Amid Talk of 737 Max Deal

Edward Russell
July 13th, 2022 at 2:06 PM EDT

Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian suggested at a potential narrowbody order for either Airbus or Boeing jets during the carrier’s second quarter results call.

“We have opportunity in the next 3-5 years for some large narrowbody acquisitions, and that’s something we’re always talking to Airbus and Boeing about,” he said on July 13.

Atlanta-based Delta is known to be interested in adding the Boeing 737 Max to its fleet. Last September, Bastian told the airline’s pilots that talks with Boeing were ongoing and that there was “certainly a place” for the aircraft in its fleet. And, on July 1, The Air Current reported that Delta was near finalizing an order for roughly 130 737-10s in a deal that could be unveiled at the upcoming Farnborough Air Show that runs from July 18-22.

The 737-10 is a large narrowbody — what Bastian said Delta needs — sized between the Airbus A321neos and 737-900ERs already in the airline’s fleet. The -10 seats 188-204 passengers in a standard two-class configuration, according to Boeing. Delta lays out its A321neos with 194 seats and its 737-900ERs with 180 seats.

Bastian declined to comment when asked specifically about the Max, or about a Reuters report regarding Delta talking with Airbus about ordering more A220s.

The potential orders come after a strong second quarter for Delta. The airline posted its first net profit — $735 million — without the benefit of government aid since the pandemic began. Total reported revenues were up 10 percent from 2019 to $13.8 billion while expenses jumped 18 percent to $12.3 billion. Delta’s operating margin was 11 percent.

“There is such pent-up demand for access to our products,” Bastian said on the outlook. “And, we’re not going to satisfy that thirst in the space of a busy summer period. There’s a lot of that demand to come.”

Corporate demand in particular is set to improve dramatically this fall. Delta President Glen Hauenstein said that domestic business demand was at 80 percent of three years ago in the second quarter, while international was at 65 percent. In addition, a survey of Delta’s corporate customers indicates that they plan to increase business travel come September, particularly internationally and in sectors — which he did not name — that have come back the least from the pandemic.

And, to the threat of a potential recession in the U.S., Bastian said that Delta has not seen “any meaningful pullback in demand” — both leisure and corporate — to date.


Delta is the first airline to report second quarter results, and give an outlook for the fall. Summer demand has proven hotter than most carriers could handle with delays and cancellations rampant in the U.S. and, particularly, in Europe amid staffing constraints across the industry. Bastian himself has called out U.S. air traffic control for being the most “stressed” in terms of staffing among industry players in the U.S.

But those delays and cancellations, while headaches for travelers and prompting a rare apology from Bastian and other CEOs, are also good for airlines’ bottom lines. After the 10 percent jump in the June quarter, Delta expects a further 1-5 percent increase over pre-crisis levels in the third quarter. And American Airlines on Tuesday forecast a 12 percent increase in total revenues for the June quarter versus three years ago.

Raymond James analyst Savanthi Syth wrote Thursday that Delta’s revenue performance, while good, was actually worse than forecast due to its operational issues in May and June. After a spike in flight cancellations and delays, in May Delta thinned its schedule through June, and cancelled roughly 2 percent of its schedule in July and part of August.

But, despite the disruptions, Delta saw many areas of strength in the second quarter. Demand for premium leisure travel — a trend expected to outlast the pandemic — remains strong with premium revenues increasing at a faster pace than those from economy tickets. Revenues from the airline’s co-branded credit card with American Express, at $1.4 billion in the quarter, were 35 percent higher than in 2019. And Delta set a record for new members in its loyalty program.


“We have all the piece parts together,” Bastian said in response to questions on Delta’s remaining recovery to 2019 capacity levels. “We just are very careful that we not incur any of the disruptive influences and elements that we saw during that six-week period from mid-May to June. And we’re going to stay within our capabilities.”

To do that, Delta plans to hold system capacity at roughly 80-85 percent of 2019 levels through the end of the year. Full year 2022 capacity will be roughly 85 percent of three years ago, or five-points lower than the airline’s previous forecast. And that’s saying something: Delta will forgo potential revenue, especially with the demand outlook executives painted Thursday, by capping capacity. But the upside is restoring Delta’s highly-regarded operational performance.

A downside to Delta’s slower-than-planned capacity recovery is cost pressure. Unit costs (CASM) excluding fuel are forecast to jump an eye-popping 22 percent in the third quarter, and a further 10 percent in the fourth. A healthy rate of CASM-ex growth is typically in line with economic growth.

“We are not fully utilizing our assets,” Delta Chief Financial Officer Dan Janki said, referring to the airline being nearly staffed at 2019 levels but still flying almost 20 percent less. Both he, and Bastian, expect cost pressures to ease in 2023 as the carrier returns to pre-pandemic capacity levels.

Delta’s focus is on moving through what is primarily a backlog of training new employees over the next five months. The airline has hired roughly 95 percent of the numbers it needs to return to 2019 staffing levels, including thousands of new airport staff, maintenance technicians, and reservations agents. Staffing issues have not only led to cancelled and delayed flights but also long queues at airports and even restrictions on how long passengers can access Delta’s premium airport lounges before their flights.

As for pilots, where the U.S. industry faces a shortage, Bastian reiterated that Delta has had no issue sourcing pilots and rehired most of the 2,000 crew members who took early out packages in the early days of the pandemic. The airline continues to train new crew members, as well as ones changing the type of aircraft they fly, but still faces a “backup” in the process.

Delta executives did not comment on the impact of the pilot shortage on the airline’s regional affiliates, which is the segment of industry hardest hit by the situation. They also declined to comment on any changes in labor costs, including at subsidiary Endeavor Air following a dramatic increase in wage rates for pilots at American’s wholly-owned regional subsidiaries in June.

One benefit for Delta from all the new hires who are replacing mostly longer-tenured staff who left during the pandemic is what is called “juniority.” Basically, the airline is emerging from a crisis with a newer — or more junior — workforce than before and at lower costs. That will result in cost savings for the airline in the coming years once new employees are fully trained and working.

And The Numbers

Delta’s total unit revenues increased an impressive 20 percent compared to 2019 in the second quarter. However, CASM excluding fuel rose faster, up 22 percent year-over-three-years, owing in part to the airline’s operational issues in May and June. Delta flew 18 percent less passenger traffic on 18 percent less capacity during the quarter.

The carrier paid an average of $3.82 per gallon for fuel in the June quarter, which was up 85 percent compared to three years ago. However, fuel expenses would have doubled were it not for a $0.31 benefit that Delta received from its Monroe Energy subsidiary, which operates the Trainer refinery near Philadelphia. Janki said the refinery “continues to provide a hedge” for the airline during this period of historically high oil prices.

Looking forward, Delta plans to fly 15-17 percent less capacity during the September quarter than it did in 2019. That will help boost revenues, which will be up 1-5 percent, but the question is how much of that will cover the increase in fuel prices. The airline forecasts average fuel expenses of $3.45-3.60 per gallon in the third quarter, at least 76 percent above 2019.

Edward Russell
July 13th, 2022 at 2:06 PM EDT

Photo credit:  Flickr / Daniel Betts

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